Comparative Topolects circa 1903 March 11 2010 0 comments

The following is a page from “A Syllabic DIctionary of the Chinese Language; Arranged According to the Wu-Fang Yuen Yin, with the Pronunciation of the Characters as Heard in Peking, Canton, Amoy, and Shanghai”. Apologies for illegibility. That’s just how it is in my copy.

The book was published by a presbyterian mission in the very early 20th century. In addition to the dialects listed in the title, Ningbo, Swatow, Fuzhou and Standard Mandarin are included. In addition to the transliteration in the image above, it goes on to give the same text in each dialect with characters substituted to better represent the sounds in those dialects.

Note the use of 个 for Shanghai and Ningbo in place of 之. In this case 个 is actually replacing 的, the non-literary equivalent of 之. The Peking column gives something much closer to modern Mandarin, while the far left column is the more scriptural “thou shall not” way of writing things.

In this way the book provides a pretty good example of the use of characters to transcribe something phonetically, ignoring the actual meaning of the characters used.

You may have noticed the little C or C on one of the corners of each character. Those are the tones. See this earlier post for an explanation. The short version is that each of those marks one of the 8 tones without giving any specific indication as to how that tone should be pronounced. I’ve seen the system used in newer books as well but thankfully most use numeric notation which is a bit easier to follow without having to do a lot of memorisation before.

If I have some time this weekend I’ll type out the Shanghai and Ningbo texts in full (they’re not that long).







Books: 自学上海话 February 8 2010 2 comments

Published by 上海大学出版社, written by Yuàn Hénghuī 院恒辉 and coming with yet another diminutive audio CD which can’t be played on my slot-loading CD drive, “自学上海话” is a little red book of 184 pages long. I picked it up at the bookstore across the street from Cloud Nine mall. I figured my curiosity was worth 15元.

pros:
- close to standard use of IPA in the beginning pages1
- detailed info on the tones and basics of tone sandhi
- useful phrases
- tones, thank God.

cons:
- abandonment of IPA after the introduction in favour of yet another janky pinyin system.

The abandonment of IPA is such a grave offence here simply for with that which it has been replaced. Their pinyin needs some explanation. I can’t really type it out here in Unicode with any hope that it will show up even close to correctly on other systems, so instead visualise a series of dots and carons below some of the syllables. Bilabial plosives are written as b or p, but then since Shanghainese has voiced (e.g. [b]) as well as voiceless un-aspirated (e.g. [p]) initials in addition to the voiceless aspirated initials (e.g. [pʰ]), distinction must be made. So [pʰ] is written p, [p] as b as in pinyin, and [b] as b but with a black dot below the letter/character.

Open dots (e.g. 。) are drawn below words/characters that end in a glottal stop [ʔ], though this is redundant since they’re also written with a final -k, much like you see in Cantonese.

Finally a caron appears below two characters that are to be read as one with heavy elision. One of the first instances of this is 好 which is written here as 合噢, linked with a caron below. That 合噢 is their glyphic interpretation of [hɔ].2.

The audio content on the CD is still unknown as I’ve packed away my one external CD drive and can’t quite remember where it’s ended up. When I can find it, I’ll post a clip.

Verdict:
Bear in mind it’s Mandarin only, in case the title hadn’t made that clear, so if you’re not comfortable with characters you may want to skip it. Otherwise if you’re trying to learn Shanghainese anyway and already have a handful of books, what’s 15 kuai to you? At the very least it offers a few different sentence patterns than books you may already own.

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1. The book includes ɿ which I can let slide, but also includes E and A, both of which are unforgivable in 2009 when it was published.
2. The other common example of this in other books is [ŋu] 我 written as linked 嗯无







Sinosplice: Zhou Libo’s Hui Cidian December 21 2009 0 comments

John at Sinosplice has posted once more on Shanghainese. Be sure to head over and check it out if you haven’t already. It’s a great post on some common issues facing the Wu learner. He brings up a lot of the problems with replacement characters as well as transcription of Wu/Shanghainese.

I’m out of town for a bit, thus the slowing of posts. Semi-regular posts will resume in a couple weeks.







Conversations in Shanghainese October 28 2009 6 comments

A while back I mentioned the 上海话大词典 published by 上海辞书出版社, Shanghai Dictionary Publishing. What I didn’t mention was that they actually publish the same dictionary in two forms. The one mentioned earlier was the “cihai edition” 辞海版. The other is called the “pinyin input edition” 拼音输人版 which uses a sort of adapted pinyin in place of IPA. The entries are the same with only the Romanisation changed.

The other feature of the pinyin edition is the inclusion of an audio CD and dialogues at the back of the book. The following is the first dialogue. The transcription is the pinyin used in the book as well.

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Zang5xi3sang1, nong23 zao34!
张先生,侬早!
张先生,您早!

Shy23 xiao3lin5a1, nong23 hao34!
是小林啊,侬好!
是小林啊,您好!

Shang2yhu5fhak3ji1, ngu23 lao23 xiang3ni5nong3hhak1!
长远勿见,我老想念侬个!
好久不见,我常念着您呢!

Ngu23 hha23 shang2 shang4 xiang34 le23 mang2 mang5 nong1.
我也常常想来望望侬。
我也常想来看您。

Ngu23 jin5zao1 bhang2dao5nong1 jiao5gue1 ke5xin1.
我今朝碰到侬交关开心。
我今天碰上你很高兴。

Nong23 ghak1qiang3 sen5ti1 hao3fha4?
侬搿抢身体好啘?
你近来身体好吗?

Seng5ti1 me5hao1.
身体蛮好。
身体挺好的。

Nong23 zoe3jhin4 mang2fha4?
侬最近忙啘?
你最近忙不忙?

Hhe2hao4, fhak1da3 mang23. Nong2nak4?
还好,勿大忙。侬呢?
还可以,不太忙。你呢?

Ghak1qiang2li3 ngu23 lao23 mang2hhak4!
搿抢里我老忙个!
这一阵我很忙!

The book advertises 900 sentences. I believe it. Page after page of dialogues fill the back of the book.

Keep “shang2 yhu5 fhak3 ji1” [zã˨ ɦyø˥ vəʔ˧ ʨi˩] handy. It’s the equivalent of 好久不见 and almost as useful as “have you eaten?”

The majority of letters are the same as in pinyin for Mandarin. The extra h, as in “shang yhu fhak ji” marks voice. So p is [pʰ] and b is [p] as in Mandarin but then bh is [b]. Same for dh, gh, sh which is [z] (not to be confused with pinyin z), and fh which is [v].

Others are as follows:

jh = [dʑ]
xh = [ʑ]
hh = [ɦ]
yh = [ɦy] e.g. 雨, yhu, [ɦy˨˧]
ng = [ŋ]

Finals are the same as Mandarin pinyin with some exceptions. They are as follows:

-k = [ʔ]
-ang = [ɑ̃]
-e = [ɛ]
-ao = [ɔ]
-ou = [ɤ]
-oe = [ø]






 
     
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